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Dusty The Cat
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(03/25/08 02:30 PM)
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Punch in/Punch out issue
I'm wondering if anyone has experienced issues concerning Autopunch on the AW2400. I'm recording with acoustic drums using 8 mics. There are parts in the tracks that I need to fix so I try using the autopunch feature. The problem arises when I go back to listen to the track, the, sound right at the punch point jumps around and becomes garbled. I find that if I press Stop and then Play again, it's ok...sometimes. Other areas that I pieced together seem okay, but then upon playback tends to garble up, again, right at the point I remember punching in or punching out. I've tried initiating the drive and reloading all the drum tracks but this still keeps happening. Any help wound be most appreciated. Thanks 
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anewflavour
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(01/18/09 04:32 PM)
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Re: Punch in/Punch out issue
i am having this problem too. i have used punch in features man times and this one on the aw2400 seems to blow. have you fixed the problem yet. the only idea i have to seamlessly piece together separate parts are to record a number of takes the edit them to create a final track with the best parts of each performance? any help would be appreciated. this makes me mad.lol
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Bad_Mister
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Loc: New York, NY
(07/26/09 05:55 AM)
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Re: Punch in/Punch out issue
Punching in drums is simply not done, because there is no moment when the drums are not making noise. It is not like punching in Vocals - where there is room and space between syllables and words, if the singer has to take a breath you can punch in... Drummers never take a "breath"! Seriously, they don't.
This is not a problem of the AW (although it is what you are using so I guess you might as well blame the gear) - but it is not the fault of the gear in this instance.
Having spent a great portion of my life as a recording engineer, I can tell you, you don't punch-in drums... You avoid it like the plague.. because it is the worst kind of compromise. It is better to DO IT OVER.
You would have to be very lucky - there are just too many sounds ringing and hanging over to make a drum punch-in clean. It would have to be at a break where you could drive a truck through there...
Punching-in and out with the AW2400 is very clean and can be very precise (down to 11ms) as a human on my best day I might do that (and I was pretty darn good). But to be able to precisely select a spot and punch-in with that accuracy is what we used to dream about in the analog days.
But ask around - write into magazines, ask a local engineer... about punching-in on drums with 8 microphone "live". You may find one who will brag that they did it, once (like great fish stories about the one that got away.... or the cello player who played a 64th note, once
Someone, somewhere will claim to have done it successfully...
But let's just say you probably will not pull it off... it's mostly the darn cymbals... they do not ring consistently - every time you hit them they are always slightly different (and they ring forever).
Oh, and punching in on a drum machine (that doesn't count)... that is always the same ... so don't fall for that fish story ("oh, by the way, did I mention the drummers name it was Linn")
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